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Topic: What is wrong with you pedophiles?

+ Leighonidas !nBpim1wazU 2.3 years ago #23,433

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Fairfield-police-investigate-girl-s-death-4246210.php
> Fairfield police disclosed little Saturday about the apparent killing of a 13-year-old girl whose nude body was found in a popular city park the morning after she had been reported missing in nearby Suisun City.

Your daughter or sister vanishes and her body is found, NAKED

+ Anonymous B2.3 years ago, 20 minutes later[^] [v] #183,580

nude outdoors in Winter time....sounds like a case of hypothermia to me..

· Leighonidas !nBpim1wazU (OP) — 2.3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #183,581

@previous (B)

That's only stuff like the Dyatlov Pass incident which was caused by aliens/supernatural/something and the people had radiation burns all over their bodies.

+ buspup !!gvS59mIgZg2.3 years ago, 13 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #183,649

@183,580 (B)
Yeah, it definitely couldnt be a rapist.

· Anonymous B2.3 years ago, 13 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #183,650

@previous (buspup)
you can't expect me to understand these rape threads....as the idea of wanting to rape someone is as foreign to me as say...someone asking me in some kind of outer space language about inter-gallactic electromagnetic fields in another galaxy..

+ Anonymous D2.3 years ago, 2 hours later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #183,670

@OP
You do realize that straight men are responsible for the most rapes and murders, right? More adult women get raped than children. Do we instantly say "What is wrong with you straight men?", of course not, because there are literally billions of heterosexual men, and it would be retarded to stereotype all of them due to the actions of a handful. Equally, it is retarded to stereotype all pedophiles as rapist/molesters just because a handful hurt children. Most pedophiles do not rape kids or hurt them in any way. Please think about this, thanks.

· Anonymous B2.3 years ago, 21 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #183,671

@previous (D)
aren't you comparing a gender to a mental disorder there? does that line of reasoning really make sense?

· Anonymous D2.3 years ago, 9 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #183,674

@previous (B)
No, I am comparing two different sexual orientations.

· Anonymous B2.3 years ago, 52 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #183,681

@previous (D)
no....no you are not.....you are speaking out of what you 'think' is so.....but you are indeed in error on this..

+ Anonymous E2.3 years ago, 27 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #183,685

@previous (B)

Sorry, bud, but the error is yours. The error is precisely why you fail to understand.

Psychopaths rape and kill, not pedophiles. It's the lack of empathy that causes these tragedies.

Moreover, the proportion of psychopaths among pedophiles is at most the same if not smaller than in the general population. If anything, pedophiles have heightened empathy compared to "regular" people.

+ Anonymous F2.3 years ago, 9 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #183,689

@previous (E)
> Moreover, the proportion of psychopaths among pedophiles is at most the same if not smaller than in the general population. If anything, pedophiles have heightened empathy compared to "regular" people.
You have no evidence of that.

+ Anonymous G2.3 years ago, 9 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #183,690

@previous (F)
YOU HAVE no EVIENCE TO NCONRTRARY!!!

+ Anonymous H2.3 years ago, 1 hour later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #183,704

@previous (G)
In psychological terms, true pedophiles - also classified as Exclusive Extrafamilial Pedophiles - are clinical psychopaths (which is, incidentally, the main reason why they cannot be rehabilitated). They often have no preference between male and female, as long as their victims are prepubescent and easy targets. Although not all true pedophiles molest children, they are far more likely to act upon their fantasies than the average male, and very likely to kill if there is the possibility of being caught. In addition, they feel no empathy for their victims and no guilt over their actions (convicted pedophillic child-molesters often freely admit that they will offend once again once they have served their sentences).

Numerous studies have noted the following amongst true pedophiles:

1. A higher incidence of left-handedness.
2. Lower IQ, poor academic performance, and difficulty in memory retention.
3. Significantly smaller physical height than the average male.
4. Greater incidence of childhood head trauma resulting in unconsciousness.
5. Lower volumes of white matter in the various brain centers.
6. Documented indifference to adult sexual imagery, confirmed by fMRI studies.
7. A strong (but so far unconfirmed) possibility of genetic causes.

——

Impossible to tell via the internet, but nobody on this board seems to meet these criteria.

· Leighonidas !nBpim1wazU (OP) — 2.3 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,730

@183,670 (D)

That's because if a woman has no breasts and a slim butt, she's not attractive.

· Anonymous E2.3 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,742

@183,704 (H)
> In psychological terms, true pedophiles - also classified as Exclusive Extrafamilial Pedophiles - are clinical psychopaths

Definition of psychopath? I don't think you (or your source) have the foggiest idea of what constitutes a psychopath.

+ Anonymous I2.3 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,746

@previous (E)
lol, "the foggiest idea" ... haven't heard that in a while.

· Anonymous H2.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,748

"A person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse."

True pedophiles exhibit most of those characteristics (or all of them if they act on their fantasies). The various psychological researchers who linked pedophilia with psychopathy in their studies understood the definition perfectly well.

· Anonymous E2.3 years ago, 42 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,755

@previous (H)

Thank you for proving that neither you nor your source understand psychopathy, yet throw the term around to your hearts' content. This is proof of ad hoc "reasoning", so your conclusions (and your sources) are fallacious.

(Edited 28 seconds later)

· Anonymous H2.3 years ago, 23 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,762

@previous (E)
What reason do you have to doubt the findings of trained psychologists?

· Anonymous E2.3 years ago, 14 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,831

@previous (H)

That a trained psychiatrist—the foremost worldwide expert on psychopathy, no less—said that the definition of "psychopathy" you gave does not correspond to reality. His name is Robert D. Hare.

· Leighonidas !nBpim1wazU (OP) — 2.3 years ago, 44 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,838

Psychopaths are people who perceive emotions really well and manipulate emotions really well.
This is different than someone who does bad things but cannot manipulate emotions.

· Anonymous E2.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,840

@previous (Leighonidas)

No. Read some books. It really helps!

· Anonymous H2.3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,841

@183,831 (E)
The definition given above corresponds very closely with Factor 1 and overlaps in several respects with Factor 2 on Hare's diagnostic criteria.

(Edited 1 minute later)

· Leighonidas !nBpim1wazU (OP) — 2.3 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,844

@183,840 (E)

This is straight from Wikipedia!

· Anonymous H2.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,845

@previous (Leighonidas)
Ignore him. He's just being stubborn.

· Leighonidas !nBpim1wazU (OP) — 2.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,846

@previous (H)

See the article on empathy.

· Anonymous H2.3 years ago, 16 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,848

@previous (Leighonidas)
Psychopaths and sociopaths are capable of mimicking emotions, often giving the impression of great empathy. However, this is almost always done to their own benefit and is totally egocentric in its execution. True pedophiles are capable of developing elaborate strategies to gain access to children; eg gaining parental trust, undertaking volunteer work, promoting humanitarian causes etc. However, their goals are entirely narcissistic and they are incapable of feeling remorse when their actions cause suffering in others.

Mimicking empathy ≠ feeling empathy.

· Leighonidas !nBpim1wazU (OP) — 2.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,850

@previous (H)

Empathy is two parts:
Cognitive — perceiving
Affective — Feeling

Related is the ability to communicate emotionally, be it expressing emotions or manipulating emotion.

· Anonymous H2.3 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,865

@previous (Leighonidas)
Maybe so, but all of the research says that that psycho/sociopaths are incapable of feeling empathy. Otherwise, they could not commit the horrendous acts that they do.

· Leighonidas !nBpim1wazU (OP) — 2.3 years ago, 53 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,866

@previous (H)

Yeah affective empathy

· Anonymous H2.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,867

@previous (Leighonidas)
Perceiving ≠ feeling.

· Leighonidas !nBpim1wazU (OP) — 2.3 years ago, 35 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,868

@previous (H)

That's the only names I got for it.

· Anonymous D2.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,871

@previous (Leighonidas)
Some kids like having sex with adults, and no coercion, blackmail or rape is required. The sooner you learn to accept that the better.

· Anonymous A (OP) — 2.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,872

@previous (D)

I fantasized about adults as a minor. But umm we're talking about definitions of psychopaths. Also this thread was about murder of a girl.

· Anonymous D2.3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,873

@previous (A)
Why would a pedophile, someone that by definition loves kids want to murder one and then dump their dead, naked body in a public place? No-one does that to someone they love, not even pedos. Please stop dragging our name in the mud by incorrectly labeling psychopathic child murderers as pedophiles, it's not fair.

· Anonymous E2.3 years ago, 5 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #183,874

Funny how you attempt to smear me as doubting "experts", and the first thing you quote is goddamned Wikipedia.

Funny also how you call me stuborn yet keep changing the definition of psychopathy on the fly to make it look like it supports whatever you feel like saying.

Read books instead of Wikipedia. I gave you the best authority on psychopathy in the world.

· Anonymous I2.3 years ago, 7 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #183,904

@183,762 (H)
> the findings of trained psychologists

implying psychology is a science. lol

· Leonidas !nBpim1wazU (OP) — 2.3 years ago, 10 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #183,962

@183,873 (D)

Well they pay little girls to do this stuff.

· Anonymous D2.3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #183,965

@previous (Leonidas)
Stop being ridiculous. You've said some really hurtful things and I think you need to take them back.

+ Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP22.3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #183,967

Trollolololololol in progress.


Please proceed to the back of the bus.

· Anonymous B2.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #183,969

@183,872 (A)
I fantasize about adults as an adult....feels good..

· Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP22.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #183,970

@previous (B)
As an asexual or nearly asexual I think you are a hero.

· Anonymous H2.3 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #183,980

@183,904 (I)
Enough of a science that criminal profiling is taken seriously by law enforcement agencies.

· Anonymous E2.3 years ago, 3 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #184,008

@previous (H)

Yeah, and law-enforcement agancies (at least in the USA) also take psychics seriously. Some angents in major law enforcement also believe and "have proof" that sexual abuse of minors is part of a Satanic conspiracy.

Law enforcement agents are in their owerwhelming majority not scientists, so their use of pseudoscience does not in any way turn it into science.

· Leonidas !nBpim1wazU (OP) — 2.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #184,009

@previous (E)

www.davidicke.com presents proof

· Anonymous H2.3 years ago, 3 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #184,029

@184,008 (E)
> law-enforcement agancies (at least in the USA) also take psychics seriously.

No, they don't. You've been reading too much tabloid press.

· Anonymous E2.3 years ago, 17 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #184,325

@previous (H)

Your logical reasoning is substandard. Do you realize that every one of your replies has been an appeal to authority? This is a logical fallacy in which your argument depends only on the source(s).

Regardless of whether I read something in tabloids, the fact that police use some knowledge to solve crimes does not in any way make that knowledge true or valid in any sense of the words. All it says is that they try to use it to solve crimes. Even if it turned out to be useful in solving them—which remains to be seen—you cannot extrapolate this useflness into scientific validity of any kind, much less apply this erroneous "conclusion" to an entirely different matter: namely judging and condemning a large swath of the general population.

· Leonidas !nBpim1wazU (OP) — 2.3 years ago, 15 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #184,328

@previous (E)

> @184,029 (H)
>
> Your logical reasoning is substandard. Do you realize that every one of your replies has been an appeal to authority? This is a logical fallacy in which your argument depends only on the source(s).

Live Long and Prosper!

· Anonymous H2.3 years ago, 4 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #184,360

@184,325 (E)
> ...every one of your replies has been an appeal to authority...

If citing an authority is so wrong, why did you reference Robert D. Hare?

· Anonymous E2.3 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #184,368

@previous (H)

Because his work stands on its own merit and you or anyone with a decent college education can verify it.

· Anonymous H2.3 years ago, 18 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #184,375

@previous (E)
The studies conducted by researchers such as Mihailides et al, Louanne Lawson, Cohen et al, Wilson & Cox etc can also stand on their own merit. It should also be noted that nothing in Hare's criteria contradicts their conclusions regarding pedophile psychopathology.

· Anonymous H2.3 years ago, 26 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #184,387

@183,831 (E)
BTW: you referred to Hare as a "trained psychiatrist", but his Ph.D. is in Experimental Psychology. Do you actually understand the difference between a psychologist and a psychiatrist?

· Anonymous E2.3 years ago, 23 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #184,391

@previous (H)

> Do you actually understand the difference between a psychologist and a psychiatrist?

So when appeals to authority don't work you slide down to ad hominem?

At any rate, I stand corrected: yes, he is a psychologist, not a psychiatrist—my mistake.

It is also my mistake for giving your appeals to authority the time of the day.

· Anonymous H2.3 years ago, 7 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #184,392

@previous (E)
But you made an appeal to authority. In addition, you've made no attempt to elaborate on how Hare's diagnostic criteria conflicts with the various studies into pedophile psychopathology.

· Anonymous E2.3 years ago, 26 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #184,393

@previous (H)

No, I have done much more than that. Also, I have done more than I needed to, since I am not the one who made the claim that pedophiles are psychopaths.

(Edited 32 seconds later)

+ Anonymous K2.3 years ago, 29 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #184,398

@previous (E)
pedomad

· Anonymous E2.3 years ago, 7 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #184,402

(Edited 45 seconds later)

· Leonidas !nBpim1wazU (OP) — 2.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #184,404

/thread's done

· Leonidas !nBpim1wazU (OP) — 2.3 years ago, 15 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #184,548

If I piss any of you off, I apologize. Here.

+ Anonymous L2.3 years ago, 23 hours later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #184,671

@184,391 (E)
why should anyone take your shit seriously when you can't even get the terminology right, you fucking tard?

· Anonymous E2.3 years ago, 12 hours later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #184,813

@previous (L)

Because what matters is not who says something or what "credentials" they may have but whether their arguments are sound, Herr Ad Hominem Meister.
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